This is what worries me most about the RHO....

[RADA]

'Disaster has arrived' at Stellantis'

'Disaster has arrived' at Stellantis

The Jeep owner got a scathing review from U.S. auto dealers

qz.com

I'm worried the truck will never be made, or if it is made, it will be a turd that is broken all the time.
It's hard to make a kick-ass 2025 truck when you're laying folks off and you've got 1000s of 2023 and 2024 vehicles sitting at dealerships across the country.

It's not the guys and gals wrenching-hard to put vehicles together, it's on the management side that let vehicle prices move into insanity, and SOME dealers that think they can still charge these prices.

Sorry to be all Doom & Gloom, but how can I not be?

If there's a right way of doing business in the vehicle sector, Stellantis does the opposite.

 

[Irongoats]

I'm optimistic it'll get done and get done right. Will there be bugs perhaps, recalls guaranteed they all have them I'll take it in stride.

 

[raskass77]

They're at the plant just not sure if they're pilots or sold orders.

 

[Goodfella54]

They're at the plant just not sure if they're pilots or sold orders.

Neat - where did these come from?

 

[Cautionary Tale]

'Disaster has arrived' at Stellantis'

'Disaster has arrived' at Stellantis

The Jeep owner got a scathing review from U.S. auto dealers

qz.com

I'm worried the truck will never be made, or if it is made, it will be a turd that is broken all the time.
It's hard to make a kick-ass 2025 truck when you're laying folks off and you've got 1000s of 2023 and 2024 vehicles sitting at dealerships across the country.

It's not the guys and gals wrenching-hard to put vehicles together, it's on the management side that let vehicle prices move into insanity, and SOME dealers that think they can still charge these prices.

Sorry to be all Doom & Gloom, but how can I not be?

If there's a right way of doing business in the vehicle sector, Stellantis does the opposite.

The best way to not be letting the news ruin your day, is to unplug and live your life until you get a phone call or email with an update. This isn't an EV startup, vehicles will get made, parent company will learn hard lessons, the market will correct, interest rates will drop, and all will be good. Just takes time and patience. OOOOOH SAAAAAAA....remember your pressure points

 

[UnloosedChewtoy]

 

[yuppie]

They're at the plant just not sure if they're pilots or sold orders.

Gimme that

 

[yuppie]

They're at the plant just not sure if they're pilots or sold orders.

Looks great with no stickers

 

[NDanecker]

I blame the unions. They have evolved into a money hungry dues monster. They used to stand for better work environment, hours and such, but pushing for crazy pay hikes for unskilled labor and justifying it by saying senior management gets paid X is not the way. It's about what you bring to the table not how long you've been at the company, or what you can squeeze out of management. Its not just Stellantis but all car manufacturers. At the heels of AI, increased robotic technology and automation you'd think they would see the writing on the wall. Its all about today and not tomorrow. I digress.....it may snow tomorrow.

 

[Ads75]

I blame the unions. They have evolved into a money hungry dues monster. They used to stand for better work environment, hours and such, but pushing for crazy pay hikes for unskilled labor and justifying it by saying senior management gets paid X is not the way. It's about what you bring to the table not how long you've been at the company, or what you can squeeze out of management. Its not just Stellantis but all car manufacturers. At the heels of AI, increased robotic technology and automation you'd think they would see the writing on the wall. Its all about today and not tomorrow. I digress.....it may snow tomorrow.

I have never worked for an auto union so I won’t presume to know what they do day to day. What’s your personal experience with the auto unions? Care to share? Or is it just internet stories? You seem to care about the unions squeezing all they can out of management, but what about the management squeezing all they can out of unions?

Again, I have no first hand experience with the auto unions. But do you? Do you have real world experience, or just unsubstantiated internet stories?

 

[NDanecker]

I have never worked for an auto union so I won’t presume to know what they do day to day. What’s your personal experience with the auto unions? Care to share? Or is it just internet stories? You seem to care about the unions squeezing all they can out of management, but what about the management squeezing all they can out of unions?

Again, I have no first hand experience with the auto unions. But do you? Do you have real world experience, or just unsubstantiated internet stories?

Well, I've never met Harris or Trump but I like one and loath the other just from what I read on the news, social media and interview videos. An adult can make his own decision believing what is bullshit and what is truth without ever meeting or dealing with the person or organization. Same can be said about automotive unions.

However, I've dealt with other unions in manufacturing (not automotive) being part of the senior management team of a large manufacturer. My spouse, who is also VP in medical field has to deal with hospitals with union and without. The census is the same. Enough said.

 

[DCook]

Well, I've never met Harris or Trump but I like one and loath the other just from what I read on the news, social media and interview videos. An adult can make his own decision believing what is bullshit and what is truth without ever meeting or dealing with the person or organization. Same can be said about automotive unions.

However, I've dealt with other unions in manufacturing (not automotive) being part of the senior management team of a large manufacturer. My spouse, who is also VP in medical field has to deal with hospitals with union and without. The census is the same. Enough said.

Union proud !

 

[Ads75]

Well, I've never met Harris or Trump but I like one and loath the other just from what I read on the news, social media and interview videos. An adult can make his own decision believing what is bullshit and what is truth without ever meeting or dealing with the person or organization. Same can be said about automotive unions.

However, I've dealt with other unions in manufacturing (not automotive) being part of the senior management team of a large manufacturer. My spouse, who is also VP in medical field has to deal with hospitals with union and without. The census is the same. Enough said.

I wasn't asking about politics. I was asking about something else. So you admit you have no direct experience with auto unions, auto manufacturing, or auto manufacturing management. You are assuming one union is the same as another, in a completely different field. You are assuming the mismanagement at one company in a completely different field is the same as another. You may not be aware, but both the union and auto manufacturer sign a contract to dictate the terms that the union works under. You may not like it, but you aren't the one signing it or working with it. It is a set of compromises that both, the union, and the manufacturer, agree to.

In your earlier post, you said the union was unskilled labor. Are you ok with your truck being built buy a group of people that worked at the plant for less than a week? Or would you rather have your truck built by a group that worked there for 3-5 years, or longer. I am guessing you would rather have a truck built by the group that worked there longer, because they are more familiar with how things get built, or get put together, or as some would say, they have a set of skills in how to assemble a truck.

I am aware unions have some problems, however, it's wrong to assume it's rampant. It's also naive to assume if the union wasn't there that there would be no problems.

 

[DanZman]

Whole lot of 6 cylinder problems in here that I just don’t see over on the TRX forums.

Bottom line is this… unions are bad for companies and consumers. Period. I mean no disrespect by that but they, by design, drive up cost. How much cost varies by industry and is some cases is a negligible difference at the point of purchase.

However… unions can be great for employees. But in my experience, they are usually just a parasitic middle man between companies and employees.

I blame no employee for trying to get paid as mush as possible for doing as little as possible. Even those idiots at the ports. The problem is when that stands in the way of letting ambitious people rise above and instead seniority reigns supreme. Just don’t be surprised when a machine comes along and makes you obsolete.

 

[RHOfan]

For those worried about quality at Stellantis…

After closely inspecting a new RHO at my local dealer, I can say the fit and finish is impressive. I’ve owned over 30 new vehicles in my lifetime and worked in a body shop for 2 years when I got out of college, so I’d say I’m qualified to make a fair assessment.

I’d say SHAP is doing a great job. Now, when they sit in storage for a month+, things like acid rain staining happen. Not the fault of the factory or staff that built it. It’s just how Ram does things.

Now, will the truck be 100% trouble free? IDK. New car designers and engineers are doing some innovative stuff to keep up with the competition and win their customers. IMHO, it’s an overly complex beast…but we’re not going back to the “good ol’ days”, so just be sure you keep some type of warranty on it during your ownership.

It used to be only German cars that were complex & expensive to fix. Now, it’s every new vehicle.