TK Responds to my comment...

[frogjbm]

I will reach 9 months in February, I will take my deposit back from MD and will wait to order the 26 RHO.

 

[SATX]

I'd also like to ask how many of you have changed your font to italics. Holy crap is that is hard to read for me. LOL

This seems to confirm what I have been saying since October - Ram does not believe this is a problem. They are pumping out RHOs to meet their production goals and could care less whether the trucks they build are April or December orders. Ram being Ram.

 

[AnthonyRI]

This seems to confirm what I have been saying since October - Ram does not believe this is a problem. They are pumping out RHOs to meet their production goals and could care less whether the trucks they build are April or December orders. Ram being Ram.

1 Admitting there is a problem
2 Knowing what the problem is
3 Knowing how to fix the problem
4 Fixing the problem
5 Reporting back and showing results that the problem was fixed
6 Preventing problem from happening again
7 Prioritizing the problem over other problems

SEVEN different stages that I've come up with. I *BELIEVE* that RAM is in step # three and a half at this moment.
It took a LONG time just to get enough people to hit stage 1 at all levels. the top level believed us, the entry level believed us, the middle ground was hard to convince or at least it seemed that way. Item #7 I think is what's the most frustrating, they put other issues first.

 

[SATX]

1 Admitting there is a problem
2 Knowing what the problem is
3 Knowing how to fix the problem
4 Fixing the problem
5 Reporting back and showing results that the problem was fixed
6 Preventing problem from happening again
7 Prioritizing the problem over other problems

SEVEN different stages that I've come up with. I *BELIEVE* that RAM is in step # three and a half at this moment.
It took a LONG time just to get enough people to hit stage 1 at all levels. the top level believed us, the entry level believed us, the middle ground was hard to convince or at least it seemed that way. Item #7 I think is what's the most frustrating, they put other issues first.

Confirming they dont care enough to fix the problem and/ or it is not a problem they deem worth fixing.. At this stage, even if they did care and / or deemed it a problem worth fixing, what difference would it make? Production for 2025 will be over by the time they "fix" anything.

 

[BucsFan]

1 Admitting there is a problem
2 Knowing what the problem is
3 Knowing how to fix the problem
4 Fixing the problem
5 Reporting back and showing results that the problem was fixed
6 Preventing problem from happening again
7 Prioritizing the problem over other problems

SEVEN different stages that I've come up with. I *BELIEVE* that RAM is in step # three and a half at this moment.
It took a LONG time just to get enough people to hit stage 1 at all levels. the top level believed us, the entry level believed us, the middle ground was hard to convince or at least it seemed that way. Item #7 I think is what's the most frustrating, they put other issues first.

Anthony, it shouldn't be this hard. They could try this.
1. Run a report to identify the list of orders in D status greater than 180 days.
2. Move them to the top for production.
Problem solved.

 

[JS59]

TK's comments are approaching two weeks old - and he seems to be talking out of both sides of his mouth on this. Anyone with any car industry knowledge knows what MSRP is and that dealers don't set it. He says MSRP is being cut by 35% and then proceeds to talk about dealer advertisements for discounts - which obviously has zero to do with MSRP. I posted on his channel but haven't seen a response. I'm not hating on the guy - but c'mon man! We know the difference in the OEM dropping the MSRP and a specific dealership advertising a discount (Mark Dodge or Koons anyone??).
I'm also eagerly awaiting the 5 year, 50,000 mile warranty that was promised. I'd have to go back and look, but I thought all of this was supposed to be happening this week.

 

[Irongoats]

1 Admitting there is a problem
2 Knowing what the problem is
3 Knowing how to fix the problem
4 Fixing the problem
5 Reporting back and showing results that the problem was fixed
6 Preventing problem from happening again
7 Prioritizing the problem over other problems

SEVEN different stages that I've come up with. I *BELIEVE* that RAM is in step # three and a half at this moment.
It took a LONG time just to get enough people to hit stage 1 at all levels. the top level believed us, the entry level believed us, the middle ground was hard to convince or at least it seemed that way. Item #7 I think is what's the most frustrating, they put other issues first.

I think they're at step 1

 

[AnthonyRI]

Anthony, it shouldn't be this hard. They could try this.
1. Run a report to identify the list of orders in D status greater than 180 days.
2. Move them to the top for production.
Problem solved.

I don't disagree, but it's like an act of congress. Maybe worse.

 

[NEBOYSA]

TK's comments are approaching two weeks old - and he seems to be talking out of both sides of his mouth on this. Anyone with any car industry knowledge knows what MSRP is and that dealers don't set it. He says MSRP is being cut by 35% and then proceeds to talk about dealer advertisements for discounts - which obviously has zero to do with MSRP. I posted on his channel but haven't seen a response. I'm not hating on the guy - but c'mon man! We know the difference in the OEM dropping the MSRP and a specific dealership advertising a discount (Mark Dodge or Koons anyone??).
I'm also eagerly awaiting the 5 year, 50,000 mile warranty that was promised. I'd have to go back and look, but I thought all of this was supposed to be happening this week.

I guess he didn't want any of this benefits because he just picked up his rho..

Every single week for months YouTubers been showing this and that's why I tell youtube to stop content from this channels. It's all click baits for views.

 

[AnthonyRI]

TK's comments are approaching two weeks old - and he seems to be talking out of both sides of his mouth on this. Anyone with any car industry knowledge knows what MSRP is and that dealers don't set it. He says MSRP is being cut by 35% and then proceeds to talk about dealer advertisements for discounts - which obviously has zero to do with MSRP. I posted on his channel but haven't seen a response. I'm not hating on the guy - but c'mon man! We know the difference in the OEM dropping the MSRP and a specific dealership advertising a discount (Mark Dodge or Koons anyone??).
I'm also eagerly awaiting the 5 year, 50,000 mile warranty that was promised. I'd have to go back and look, but I thought all of this was supposed to be happening this week.

There is a difference between:

1. Dealer discount, which is at the complete discretion of the dealership, and rarely if ever is guided by the OEM. (See $9K off base RHO's at MD)
2. Manufacturer rebates, offered by OEM, on specific trim/year with or without qualifiers (See holiday bonus cash, Ford conquest, or 15% of '24 DTs)
3. Re-Pricing when they literally reprint every single Monroney sticker of unsold vehicles, re-invoiced, and give credit back to dealers who have already paid their higher invoice for vehicles on the lot (See March 6th 2024 on HD Rams)

It is very common for consumers, dealers, and youtuberes, to intentionally or unintentionally let these terms blur !

ALSO - there is a very big difference (IMO) between RAISING an MSRP, vs the average transaction price going up - but that's more of a Jeep thread.

 

[RADA]

TK's comments are approaching two weeks old - and he seems to be talking out of both sides of his mouth on this. Anyone with any car industry knowledge knows what MSRP is and that dealers don't set it. He says MSRP is being cut by 35% and then proceeds to talk about dealer advertisements for discounts - which obviously has zero to do with MSRP. I posted on his channel but haven't seen a response. I'm not hating on the guy - but c'mon man! We know the difference in the OEM dropping the MSRP and a specific dealership advertising a discount (Mark Dodge or Koons anyone??).
I'm also eagerly awaiting the 5 year, 50,000 mile warranty that was promised. I'd have to go back and look, but I thought all of this was supposed to be happening this week.

I couldn't press record fast enough to catch it, but a mainstream news outlet ran the same RAM 35% story, this weekend.

They said it's starting with specific high-volume dealers and doesn't include high trim levels...

 

[yoda33073]

TK's comments are approaching two weeks old - and he seems to be talking out of both sides of his mouth on this. Anyone with any car industry knowledge knows what MSRP is and that dealers don't set it. He says MSRP is being cut by 35% and then proceeds to talk about dealer advertisements for discounts - which obviously has zero to do with MSRP. I posted on his channel but haven't seen a response. I'm not hating on the guy - but c'mon man! We know the difference in the OEM dropping the MSRP and a specific dealership advertising a discount (Mark Dodge or Koons anyone??).
I'm also eagerly awaiting the 5 year, 50,000 mile warranty that was promised. I'd have to go back and look, but I thought all of this was supposed to be happening this week.

I think the point is that there have been several "factory rebates" from Stellantis. Around $6500-$7500 that have been in effect for several months. FROM FACTORY. So what is being talked about is Stellantis instead of providing "factory rebates", they may lower MSRP period. That does make sense. Not "dealer incentives" but making "factory rebates" permanent in the form of adjusting MSRP. Definitely won't be 35%. But permanent $7k change in MSRP for Warlock, Big Horn, and Laramie, makes sense.

 

[MongoSmash11]

I don't disagree, but it's like an act of congress. Maybe worse.

Anthony,

Is ram still holding the conference calls with the dealers to update the status? Just seems RAM has no concern for pissing off customers.

 

[Bigram]

This drill policy will cause energy prices to drop significantly, meaning transportation costs will get cheaper almost immediately, then later goods, services, and raw material prices will drop.

hahahahahahahaha

 

[AnthonyRI]

Anthony,

Is ram still holding the conference calls with the dealers to update the status? Just seems RAM has no concern for pissing off customers.

I think you may be combining two diffeferent things.

YES we have monthly calls for our business region for both marketing (incentives, adverttisements, results) and allocation (supply chain, open/close items, actual dealer stock allocation). These are more one-way dissemination of info.

YES we are continuing to discuss with RAM on the issues that we have

Those two YES's are entirely separate.

 

[Milchuck]

TK says he's 2 weeks ahead..

If he's right about prices dropping (still unconvinced about 35%), my theories are:

In a little more than two weeks the new "drill baby, drill" administration is taking over.

This drill policy will cause energy prices to drop significantly, meaning transportation costs will get cheaper almost immediately, then later goods, services, and raw material prices will drop.

Part two of my theory is RAM (& other manufacturers) could be using a combination of a small to low medium reduction in their profit margins, along with the reduction in their energy costs to reduce MSRPs as a way to stimulate an increase in sales.
Part 3 is I think we'll also see some low internal finance rates in the coming months.

An interest rate deal is a great way for dealers to hide a discount. When we get 0% for 72 months, all that happens is the dealer/mfr is buying the going rate down to 0% with their profit margin.

The people who bought two weeks earlier don't know another's interest rate, so they don't feel shafted by seeing the vehicle they paid XXXXX for reduced to YYYYY, and don't pitch a fit to the dealership.

I gotta disagree with the theory on oil prices. Oil producers already have tons of leases they haven't exploited yet and they intentionally don't overproduce so they can control prices (and profits). They make billions in profits each quarter as it is and aren't going to sabotage that. My 2 cents...

 

[Ctech-Review]

TK's comments are approaching two weeks old - and he seems to be talking out of both sides of his mouth on this. Anyone with any car industry knowledge knows what MSRP is and that dealers don't set it. He says MSRP is being cut by 35% and then proceeds to talk about dealer advertisements for discounts - which obviously has zero to do with MSRP. I posted on his channel but haven't seen a response. I'm not hating on the guy - but c'mon man! We know the difference in the OEM dropping the MSRP and a specific dealership advertising a discount (Mark Dodge or Koons anyone??).
I'm also eagerly awaiting the 5 year, 50,000 mile warranty that was promised. I'd have to go back and look, but I thought all of this was supposed to be happening this week.

His latest video says 30-35% off MSRP...number is dropping. I spoke to Anthony/Aaron at MD last week...no 30-35% off MSRP coming...I talked to other dealer too. They laughed. Ford is offering $1k off on $90k super duty...thats it. GM...sold out on most 2024 HD trucks, and only a $1k off if costco membership. Thats a 1.5% off MSRP discount lol. Sales volume went up in 2022 to 2023, and again from 2023 to 2024 with Every truck company (Minus Ram) they have no incentive to drop prices, and Ram is the only brand offering sizable discounts....

 

[testerdahl]

I'm cross-

Congrats on your truck, both the RHO and your wife's. We need help on this forum. There are a ton of us that placed orders in April and May and have seen no movement, while a large majority that placed orders after the start of production, received their trucks. Can you send out or reach out to any of your contents at Ram and let them know that several of us April and May orders have reached out and are wondering why their trucks have been overlooked in the ordering process. It's really not fair and no one seems to be able to help or care. I appreciate it.

I just wanted to reply to say be patient. I know it sucks. I just got my truck and drove to Dallas. Holy crap is it good and worth the wait. Seriously, I've been reporting on trucks for well over a decade. This might be the best truck I've ever driven and I've driven them all including the TRX. Jet lagged like hell and more to come.

Just be patient. It is sooo worth it.

 

[AnthonyRI]

Here comes the price cuts.... wait....

 

[SATX]

Here comes the price cuts.... wait....
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Ask them if they are going to price protect me on my base order
Price protection means whatever Ram wants it to mean.