Anyone go Raptor to RHO? If so how has it been?

[RAP2RHO]

The waiting finally ended last Friday after an order placed on 4/29/24 With Koons in VA. I must say, I’ve had 2 gen 2 raptors, 4 gen 3 raptors, a TRX, and now this RHO! The TRX I liked, but was way too wild for a daily. The Raptors I always loved the nimbleness and sporty drive. This RHO however drives like a Cadillac. It’s not as nimble as the raptor but has the same fun appeal so far. Being that it is AWD it feels more planted in the front end, similar to the difference in a European car, much heavier feel.
I haven’t gotten on it yet but I definitely like the 8sp trans vs over shifting 10spd in the raptor. The interior is on a completely different level from Ford in fit and finish and technology.
I’m Hoping for some worry free miles but understand shit happens, I had a plethora of issues with some of my Gen3 Rappys as well. I love everything about it thus far. I do want to give a shout out to Brian at Koons! Not only did he make this a seamless process, he was well-versed in all the available discounts that exist in addition to the $10,500 discount when we placed our order. Both myself and a close friend picked up our RHO‘s for $14,500 under sticker. Unbelievable purchase, be sure to give Brian a call. He is your guy I will be buying from them in the future for certain!  — at Koons Tysons Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram.


At the end of the day, even though I got my last 2024 raptor for invoice, this ended up being $7500 lessmthan that, $14,500 off marl of $85k . So looking at an MSRP on a raptor at similar value you can’t ignore how cheap you can buy one of these trucks for.

I hope you have better luck than me lol. I’m already eyeballing a new raptor and I’ve only had my RHO three weeks. Nothing but warning lights. I have an appointment Monday, but I’m not very confident. They will have a fix.

 

[tm965]

I just think it might get a little better mpg if you could select 2wd but then again it is a sports performance truck so none of us are buying it for MPG's HAHAHA My Raptor gets around 16 all around driving it and I don't baby it drive however and still 16.

16? lol mines perpetually in the 14s over the span of thousands of miles

 

[Ctech-Review]

Hi all,

I've been lurking on the forum and thinking about becoming a RHO owner yet but really thinking hard about it. I'm a diehard Ford guy and currently driving a 19 Raptor and thinking about replacing it with either a new Raptor or RHO. Still have almost a year warranty so might just wait until 2026's come out.
The RHO has me more interested than the 2024/25 Raptors.

Thanks for any feed back.

I had a 21 Raptor that was a great truck, my 24R was a disappointment once hot start issues happened. I am one of the biggest ford fan boys I know but Ford needs to step up on the Raptor. The 24 37/R suspension is awesome on and off road. RHO is a different feeling suspension on road, more like a sports car, curious how it will be off road. Zero regrets going to my RHO, about to turn 3000 miles on it. I will be doing a 3000 mile review on it soon to talk about things I lke and not so much!

 

[RUT-RHO]

Thanks for response and I can see your pros and cons and agree with a lot of them. I'm not too worried about donuts but like you when it's a summer day out I don't see a need to be running in AWD even though the engineer explained it that it kind of is in 2wd as long as the rear wheels don't slip but still like you said you have the drag on the drive line. Funny you say that about a missed opportunity as my wife bought a new Toyota Crown and I was checking out the all new Tundra TRD Pro. Even went and built some but I'm like this was a brand new truck in 2022 and no AWD option like their competitors and no tail gate step of any kind and if you get hybrid model zero storage in the back. I'm like man Toyota missed an opportunity here. I just don't get who these manufactures talk to when designing or updating trucks, but that's just me. Anyhow back on topic I agree for the money the RHO is the best deal going. Who knows I might have to try one just not sure if I will get a current 2025 model or just give them a year and see how they are doing and order a 2026.

Yes, Toyota has lost their way, big time. I was prepared to get another tundra - a Platinum Hybrid with the factory 3" lift. But the hybrid is neither fast nor frugal and has zero storage under the back seat. That and all of the engine recalls, spotty quality, squeaks and rattles, etc. The only thing it has going for it is the retractable back window -- which I love on mine and will very much miss. Hopefully they'll get it right for the '26 refresh but they cant change the fact that the TNGA-F architecture is a narrow frame, so I don't think fitting a battery underneath is even an option. Re the Raptor, my guess is that Ford is hard at work on a higher output 3.5L. They already have a factory tune for the 3.0L V6 in the Ranger Raptor and Braptor that yields 455 hp and 536 Lbs/ft. I don't think they're going to let the little V6 eclipse the big one -- or let RAM steal their sales.

 

[HSrider]

I had a 21 Raptor that was a great truck, my 24R was a disappointment once hot start issues happened. I am one of the biggest ford fan boys I know but Ford needs to step up on the Raptor. The 24 37/R suspension is awesome on and off road. RHO is a different feeling suspension on road, more like a sports car, curious how it will be off road. Zero regrets going to my RHO, about to turn 3000 miles on it. I will be doing a 3000 mile review on it soon to talk about things I lke and not so much!

Thanks for the response and I've watched at least 3 of your videos the pickup one and the tow one and the issue at the dealer. Hope to watch more. If I wasn't a truck guy with Bronco R prices dropping I would consider one especially after your comment about it and how well it towed your trailer, that was shocking to me. Look forward to the 3000 mile review. I'm still thinking I might wait for 2026's not sure yet. Unfortunately where I live my trucks are 95% pavement queens but I just like aggressive/sporty trucks.

 

[HSrider]

Yes, Toyota has lost their way, big time. I was prepared to get another tundra - a Platinum Hybrid with the factory 3" lift. But the hybrid is neither fast nor frugal and has zero storage under the back seat. That and all of the engine recalls, spotty quality, squeaks and rattles, etc. The only thing it has going for it is the retractable back window -- which I love on mine and will very much miss. Hopefully they'll get it right for the '26 refresh but they cant change the fact that the TNGA-F architecture is a narrow frame, so I don't think fitting a battery underneath is even an option. Re the Raptor, my guess is that Ford is hard at work on a higher output 3.5L. They already have a factory tune for the 3.0L V6 in the Ranger Raptor and Braptor that yields 455 hp and 536 Lbs/ft. I don't think they're going to let the little V6 eclipse the big one -- or let RAM steal their sales.

Agree with all you said about the Toyota. I had a 1794 limited reserved but took my name off and got deposit back. It's funny and sad every time I've considered a new Tundra they always have one or two minor things I want in a truck left out so I never buy a Tundra. I could get away with a Ranger Raptor or midsize truck but in it I liked cooled/vented seats which it doesn't have. Plus I have a problem with midsize trucks only getting 2-3mpg's better than 1/2 tons and prices are going up, so if I'm sacrificing cab size and all it better offer me something else where like mpg's. So I might as well stick with a Raptor or RHO and not worry about it even if I can't use either truck for the purpose they were built for I can still drive them and enjoy them. I didn't know Ford is offering Factory tunes for the Ranger Raptor and Bronco, I know 23 models to current in 3.5 can't be tuned or tuners are having a hard time breaking into the Ford stuff to tune them. Guess if I'm going to buy a RHO or a new Raptor either way I need to purchase some oil company stocks

 

[JCooms]

Having had both a Gen 3 (2021) and a Tundra 1794 Limited Edition, I can unequivocally say that the RHO smokes both of them, and it isn't even close. Yes, there's always the aesthetic preferences, I get that. What's funny to me is that I had the opposite experience with my Gen 3 and RHO than some have posted on here. My Raptor had so many issues that it ruined my "dream" of owning a Raptor about as fast as I bought it. I won't get into all of the details, but let's just say it was a bust. Having been a Toyota guy my whole life, I went back to the Tundra after the Raptor. Let me just tell you, Toyota is not even remotely close to what they used to be in terms of quality and reliability. Both my wife and I had 2024 Toyota's (she had the Sequoia Platinum), and we were in the shop constantly with both of them (recalls, plastic parts falling off, etc). We got rid of them after less than a year on both. I'm about two weeks into my RHO and it's been a dream! Been fortunate enough to not have the issues that some folks have dealt with on their new RHO's, so hopefully that trend continues. Again, aside from the aesthetic appeal, I personally feel that the RHO blows the Raptor out of the water (excluding the Raptor R, of course).

 

[Uf28denied]

currently in a 23 raptor and was going to order a 25, but im sick of ford raising prices and removing options! the latest (and i know its a small thing) but how much money are they saving by taking away the raptor key fob??? its just stupid shit like that !!

 

[Lkbum]

currently in a 23 raptor and was going to order a 25, but im sick of ford raising prices and removing options! the latest (and i know its a small thing) but how much money are they saving by taking away the raptor key fob??? its just stupid shit like that !!

I agree with everything you said about Ford deleting items . My 2023 F150 is such a disappointment with deleted items .

I had decent luck with my 2- gen 2 Raptors .

 

[KA1902]

Are there any discount dealers for Ford similar to Mark Dodge for Ram?

 

[Kingsingh15]

Are there any discount dealers for Ford similar to Mark Dodge for Ram?

I got 6200 off my 24 Raptor that was already on the lot!

 

[TheBarBack]

Are there any discount dealers for Ford similar to Mark Dodge for Ram?

They are starting to pop up... I've seen a few go for 5k under

 

[KA1902]

That’s good to know they started offering discounts. I was planning to buy Raptor last year before Ram announced the RHO, but I couldn’t find any good discounts. Actually I checked in different states and dealerships had marked it up, probably because it was a new release at that time

 

[HSrider]

That’s good to know they started offering discounts. I was planning to buy Raptor last year before Ram announced the RHO, but I couldn’t find any good discounts. Actually I checked in different states and dealerships had marked it up, probably because it was a new release at that time

The only one I've noticed mentioned on the forums is Granger Ford out in the midwest somewhere.

 

[HSrider]

@JCooms thanks for the response and interesting that you have had those particular trucks and cool to hear the RHO blows them away minus the Raptor R. I wouldn't buy a Raptor R even at MSRP that's just me have a hard time dropping $114K on any vehicle. I am on the fence at the moment on moving forward with an RHO or just waiting for the 2026s to come out and then make the move. I seem to be related to Murphy and Mark's law doesn't do to well with first year vehicles so my luck if I got a 25 RHO I would be one of the ones with issues. I need to go build one just to see and go from there maybe swing by Koon's just to look at someones factory order just to see one up close and in person.

 

[JS59]

I wrestled with this too. Pros and cons for both. The RHO is faster, and has far superior interior materials, overall construction, and a better transmission. But the RHO is a bit dated looking, has a lame selection of colors (where is stingray/lunar??) and despite the claimed 150 lb weight reduction over the TRX -- which seems like BS-- it remains about 500lbs heavier than a comparable Raptor - which will have long-term effects upon all of the drivetrain wear items. You've also got the difference between a 3.0L I6 pressurized to 28 psi vs. a 3.5L V6 with <18psi. Jury still out on durability. Also, unlike the Raptor, the RHO is incapable of being driven in 2wd. So outside of Baja mode, donuts are off the menu - if you care about that. To me, RAM missed an easy opportunity to truly distinguish the RHO from the TRX by making it a better daily driver - by giving buyers the option to select 2wd. The constant reciprocating drag of a 4wd system which is incapable of being fully disengaged is kind of a bummer, particularly on warm dry days just cruising on the highway. Not that anyone buys these types of trucks for gas mileage, but in my opinion, more than the boost happy engine, the lift, the big tires or the 6,500 curb weight, it is this transfer case which is causing the craptastic mileage. Just seems like a missed opportunity by RAM to have easily made this truck a better daily driver than the TRX. All that aside, for all of what you get on the RHO for the money, to me it is still the best deal going.

I'm not sure I agree with this. My wife's Wagoneer has the less powerful 3.0, weighs 500 lbs less, has shorter, narrower tires with less drag due to the tread pattern, is more aerodynamic and lowers the ride height at highway speeds - AND is is full-time AWD just like these trucks. So, all of those advantages and we get about 20 or 21 on the highway and 15 or so city. It seem like if there was meaningful drag it would show up in the highway numbers on the Wagoneer but it still gets "good" mileage for a full-size, heavy SUV.

Also, my Titan XD is about 6,500 pounds. It has highway tires, sits lower and is in 2wd mode 98% of the time. I get about 17 hwy and 14 city. I know it's a v8 vs. turbo 6. But, less power and less drag but about the same mileage - so if the AWD is adding drag, I don't think it's much.

 

[JCooms]

@JCooms thanks for the response and interesting that you have had those particular trucks and cool to hear the RHO blows them away minus the Raptor R. I wouldn't buy a Raptor R even at MSRP that's just me have a hard time dropping $114K on any vehicle. I am on the fence at the moment on moving forward with an RHO or just waiting for the 2026s to come out and then make the move. I seem to be related to Murphy and Mark's law doesn't do to well with first year vehicles so my luck if I got a 25 RHO I would be one of the ones with issues. I need to go build one just to see and go from there maybe swing by Koon's just to look at someones factory order just to see one up close and in person.

You are most welcome, my friend. Best of luck in your decision!

 

[Cautionary Tale]

I'm not sure I agree with this. My wife's Wagoneer has the less powerful 3.0, weighs 500 lbs less, has shorter, narrower tires with less drag due to the tread pattern, is more aerodynamic and lowers the ride height at highway speeds - AND is is full-time AWD just like these trucks. So, all of those advantages and we get about 20 or 21 on the highway and 15 or so city. It seem like if there was meaningful drag it would show up in the highway numbers on the Wagoneer but it still gets "good" mileage for a full-size, heavy SUV.

Also, my Titan XD is about 6,500 pounds. It has highway tires, sits lower and is in 2wd mode 98% of the time. I get about 17 hwy and 14 city. I know it's a v8 vs. turbo 6. But, less power and less drag but about the same mileage - so if the AWD is adding drag, I don't think it's much.

Your comparing oranges to mandarins American auto manufacturers have always struggled to figure out AWD in the same way the Japanese and Europeans have. BUT...that isn't the reason we get bad fuel mileage on the RHO, I firmly believe its the turbo fuel maps. You just can't have no lag, with 26 lbs of boost without rich fuel mapping and according to my magical digital dash thingy, it bares that out. If you keep your RHO in as close as one can get to negative vacuum, you will get 14-high 16 mpg, or can. Going uphill is impossible without the boost and horsies running wild.

For a bit of fun, I drove through Globe, Arizona, which is almost completely downhill (as result of mountain carving, and the way they did the roads) and never had to hit the gas once. It felt like I was in a cheater derby car with weights in the front and it was a blast. Not sure how this comment contributes to the conversation but its been giving me smiles for a week.

 

[RamFan]

Your comparing oranges to mandarins American auto manufacturers have always struggled to figure out AWD in the same way the Japanese and Europeans have. BUT...that isn't the reason we get bad fuel mileage on the RHO, I firmly believe its the turbo fuel maps. You just can't have no lag, with 26 lbs of boost without rich fuel mapping and according to my magical digital dash thingy, it bares that out. If you keep your RHO in as close as one can get to negative vacuum, you will get 14-high 16 mpg, or can. Going uphill is impossible without the boost and horsies running wild.

For a bit of fun, I drove through Globe, Arizona, which is almost completely downhill (as result of mountain carving, and the way they did the roads) and never had to hit the gas once. It felt like I was in a cheater derby car with weights in the front and it was a blast. Not sure how this comment contributes to the conversation but its been giving me smiles for a week.

Yeah it’s not easy.

The only manufacturer who I saw regularly exceed EPA estimates by a ton were GM with their V8 powered cars. Trans Am(what we own) Corvettes etc. blow past em. It’s impressive really.

Turbo vehicles can do the same but like you said you need to stay off the boost. I found too that using cruise control hurts your mileage a great deal as well as it can be all or nothing when it’s going back up to speed.

It’s a fun game imo trying to exceed your last run, but it’s even more fun matting the gas!!

Chris

 

[Cautionary Tale]

Yeah it’s not easy.

The only manufacturer who I saw regularly exceed EPA estimates by a ton were GM with their V8 powered cars. Trans Am(what we own) Corvettes etc. blow past em. It’s impressive really.

Turbo vehicles can do the same but like you said you need to stay off the boost. I found too that using cruise control hurts your mileage a great deal as well as it can be all or nothing when it’s going back up to speed.

It’s a fun game imo trying to exceed your last run, but it’s even more fun matting the gas!!

Chris

Good point, that adaptive cruise has a heavy foot for sure.